Peregrine Equipment, Condor titanium tent stove

[Justin P.]

A little late to ask now, but...............
Does anybody have a Peregrine Equipment, Condor titanium tent stove?

Firebox Stoves had one for sale on Black Friday and my curiosity beat out my better judgment, so I ordered one.
I've never heard of them, and I didn't find much for info online, specs and dimensions are sketchy, and it might be a little smaller than I really wanted, but damn it......... I did it anyway.......for some reason.
The black fiday price wasn't to bad, probably, hard to say because I'm not really sure what I bought, but it shipped today.
I think the fire box will be about 8"X8"X13" and they claim it weighs 3.5lbs and has a 10' titanium chimney.
It looks fiddly to put together, but I did want something light with a small packed size for certain uses.

I've spent just under 2 weeks so far this year using my 5 gallon bucket stove, and it's worked well for heating but sucked for cooking, and it a bit bulky and heavy depending on how I'm moving it.
So this one might fill a hole that the bucket doesn't.

I'll add my opinion after I get it burning, but feel free to add yours if you have one.

If anyone is interested:
CONDOR TITANIUM WOOD BURNING HOT-TENT STOVE WITH 10' CHIMNEY (peregrineequipment.com)
Condor Tent Stove (fireboxstove.com)

[Minnesotian]

Haven't read about that particular one myself. But I understand the desire to just go ahead and get something, especially if it on sale.

Looking at it, my first impression would be to start thinking of something to put under it so the legs don't post-hole into snow, if you have a floorless tent. Probably a fire-blanket at the very least, or better, an aluminum sheet cut to the correct size and finding a way to bolt the legs to the sheet.

Second, it probably won't be a very airtight stove, as it breaks down. Might make the fires hotter and go though quicker.

It is a nice size thought. You need to update me on this as it is just in my wheelhouse.

[Justin P.]

I'm not concerned about airtight, to me that a lot to ask from any reasonably light stove so I'm will to give that up.

I'm fairly certain the legs will irritate me to no end. I'm hoping to come up with something better and modify that portion.

I was considering buying a sheet of titanium and building my own. But by the time I bought everything I'd have almost as much into it I bet.
It would be different to go through all that work if I knew specifically what I wanted and couldn't get it any other way.
But all a really wanted was a light weight box full of fire, so I guess this meets my criteria.....lol

It's just a lot of money for a tin box, so I was having buyers remorse I think.

[snapper]

I'm not familiar with the company but the stove looks like a cross between ones from Seek Outside and Luxe. I'm sure it will work for you but be prepared to feed the firebox more frequently than you might expect. The fireboxes on these stoves are fairly small.

That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well.

snapper

[Justin P.]

I think you are right, I think that box is pretty small.
But there are times that I'll be willing to make that tradeoff.

[timdaman]

Never heard of Peregrine before. The last couple years there is a bunch of new stoves in that rough size range I have seen popping up,;Wild Wild West(3W), Winnerwell Fastfold, Pomoly, and now Peregrine. They all seem to share some design details but not others, I suspect there are a lot of shared manufacturing facilities. It is interesting to the "optimization" happening.

Your stove reminds me of the "Thous Winds Outdoor ultralight titanium alloy wood"
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000...archweb201603_

If it is based on the same design they sell a nice looking base and some other accessories.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000...archweb201603_

The one thing that concerns me is the damper, I have a bad feeling about their design but I would love to hear how it works out, I would love to be proven wrong.

I too ended up getting bitten by the same urge to try out one of these "new" stoves. I got the Pomoly Flame for this season. The whole kit weighs lest than just body of my old one. I have fired it a couple times and so far it seems to be working. However I have had to put a lot of reworking it.

• I made the legs longer so I could warm firewood below
• I fashioned shelves for it that pack inside the folded stove. The shelves they sell are pricey and clearly was unusable on snow.
• I tweaked the stove pipe connection to make seal better, less wobbly, and easier to work when I need to set it up in the field.

I am looking forward to a hard cold snap hitting so I can confirm mine delivers the BTU.

[Justin P.]

Boy, that sure looks like the same stove.
I thought the damper looked questionable too, but I figured I could come up with something better if needed.
But I'm not even sure I understood the design just looking at the photos. Or maybe I did understand it, in that case I definitely am redoing it.

[Bothwell Voyageur]

I bet the folk at SeekOutside a pissed. They’ve been making take-apart stoves for years and now it seems every factory in Asia is knocking them out.

https://seekoutside.com/medium-titanium-wood-stove-stovepipe/

[timdaman]

Let me first say, SeekOutside makes a great product and I was very close to getting one of their stoves. My friend has one and is happy.

All of these newer stoves are on the small side. My feeling is winter travelers are not their audience and good luck finding any photos of their stoves use on snow. This is where SeekOutside still has an edge so though I am sure they are not happy to see new players on their turf but I suspect they are not trouble yet.

Also SeekOutside is not the only ones who make the take down stoves, LiteOutdoors for one has been in the game for a while, so I don't think we should be thinking SeekOutside Vs. imports. Perhaps more North American Vs. Imports?

Now for a warning to SeekOutside, time to start innovating again. Your stove design is very nice and the product range is great. Why am I risking a smaller stove with unknown providence over a SeekOutside stove with know quality and performance? Let me explain.

1. What is up with the small parts! Seriously! You need to solve this! Ever tried to find a nut in the snow? My friend simply carries their SeekOutside stove assembled in a wanagan. When I came across the Crossing Algonquin crew a few years ago in the middle of Algonquin they clearly were afraid of dropping bolts so they actually carried the stove pre-assembled inside a rigid plastic crate. Because there are small parts people are moved to carry extra protective cases to keep the fragile stove frame from getting dented or crushed.
   The stove just I purchased, after one minor adjustment, has nothing small that can be lost and I can set it up wearing mittens.
2. Snow flotation is a issue. The Kni-Co Style legs allow long skid logs to be placed under the stove body and extended out to solid reliable snow. Your tiny little feet a cute but just like cute snowshoes they don't actually work in the snow. I get some, maybe most, people use these stoves in the fall so those feet are useful for them. How about coming up with a solution for the winter traveler? One suggestion, thread on extensions for the feet to accept skid logs? It could be a Y to slip over top or maybe a simple strap to attach to the side of a skid log.
3. Yeah, this is a trend, but add a window option. My new stove has one and I have to say it is woth the weight. The big benefit is I am much better to see the state of the fire which I have to say is very handy and of course the view is nice.
4. Shelves, they are not needed but nice to have especially in a small tent where floor space can be limited. I fashioned some for my new stove that compliment it and should be easy to set up with mittens on. A SeekOutside solution would be nice.

I am sure there are other points people can add, I know I haven't spent a ton of time a SeekOutside stove. When fixing those issues make sure not to forget your advantages

1. Better air sealing, these folding stoves leak like sieves. Not actually a big deal in the deep cold where running the stove on low is not really a thing but in warmer conditions it is nice not to go through the wood so quickly.
2. Your bigger stoves that can a good load of wood which is a big standout in your class of stoves. I may find myself regretting the size of my firebox this winter. If there was a bigger stove without fiddly parts to deal with I would have gotten it.
3. The simple designs that really have one failure mode(denting) and that's it. The sliding door, that is a great design. There are so many fasteners and pivots on these new stoves, your designs really have a stand out elegance here.

I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

[Bothwell Voyageur]

I mentioned SeekOutside as they, and I guess Kifaru offer a box stove compared to the rolled tube stoves the Lite Outdoors and Ti Goat offered. I have the ti goat and it’s fine but small and useless for cooking.
Think they’ve been working. On the loose bits issue and have captive nuts on some models.
I was surprised at how thick the titanium on some of the new small stoves. I’m sure I saw 1mm quoted for one model, twice as thick as the steel in a standard box stove, though I guess that was not across the whole stove body.
I have a wife who lets me know when I need to put more wood in the stove, no need for a window.

[Smoked in Space]

I don’t know anything about the peregrine stove, but I do know Firebox-Steve is a bad ass!

[Justin P.]

I agree Steve is fantastic a great guy, I own one of his Firebox Stoves.
but I just wanted to clarify, I bought my stove from Steve but it's not one he is making he's a reseller of the Condor stove.

[Minnesotian]

Timdaman,
You're last post is spot on with everything that has been running through my head on purchasing a titanium lightweight stove. None of the designs I have seen look like they are optimized for deep snow, far north, bitter cold camping that I think most people on this site participate in. That's why I really haven't pulled the trigger on any of them. I hate the small parts problem and the spindly legs problem in particular.

The nearest titanium design that is perfect for winter camping is the ones from 4 Dog Stove, but the pricing on them is outside of what I can afford. But I suspect if I got one it would last forever and be built exactly for the conditions.

https://fourdog.com/ultra-light-i-dx/

[Justin P.]

I agree with the bits and pieces, that part is going to get on my nerves, I think. Especially when I'm already cold and tired.

I looked at the Seek Outside stoves, but the features just didn't jump out at me enough to justify the cost for my intended use.
A lot about them I do like the looks of though.
I wasn't sure if the Condor stove was made in China, but I'll admit I did suspect it was, I'm pretty convinced after seeing timdaman's link that it is.
I guess I'm looking at the Condor as a make your own stove parts kit, a box of stuff to modify into what I want.
I actually considered buying a brake for the shop just so I could "save" money bending my own titanium and steel, so this diy "kit" might save me money.....lol
Peregrine was in Utah I think, so part of me was hoping that it wasn't imported, but most of me figured it was. And they never made any claims, so it's not on them.
I think a large portion of my outdoor gear is USA made cottage stuff, or homemade, because I'm fortunate enough to be able to.
So I'll admit I'm even a little more apprehensive about the Condor stove now.

I have nothing but respect for Don and Fourdog, but for my use I'd carry 10 pounds of steel before I'd pay to carry 10 pounds of titanium.
And I know that's not a fair apples to apples comparison, but for me titanium is to save weight but give up some durability.
I assume the Fourdog titanium is some middle ground of durable titanium, but it's just to heavy for me.

[timdaman]

Minnesotian, doh, I totally blanked about Four Dog. Indeed, they probably had it nailed the design best though a what a price. The only shortcoming, an it really depends how you use it, is they don't knock down for travel but still it is a sweet looking package from what I can see.


Bothwell Voyageur, you mentioned the thick titanium, are you thinking of the Pomoly Flame? I actually have that stove with the 1mm thickness. I opted for it because I have struggled with warping so much I am was hoping it would stay flatter. There are also ribs welded under the top to stiffen it even more. I have run it hot a few times now and it certainly taken a new shape but it is much better than I have with my old Kni-Co. The entire firebox in 1mm thick, not just the top. The legs seem lighter, maybe .6mm.


Also, there also is a another company I bumped into, Gfabco (http://www.gfabco.com/site/index.php...mid=11&lang=en) which has a pretty neat design.

[Minnesotian]

Minnesotian, doh, I totally blanked about Four Dog. Indeed, they probably had it nailed the design best though a what a price. The only shortcoming, an it really depends how you use it, is they don't knock down for travel but still it is a sweet looking package from what I can see.

Also, there also is a another company I bumped into, Gfabco (http://www.gfabco.com/site/index.php...mid=11&lang=en) which has a pretty neat design.

Yeah, having a stove that breaks down for travel isn't a deal breaker for me. I store a bunch of stuff in my Kni-co when traveling and have piece of mind all of it is secure and protected. Also, a welded box like that is more airtight.

However, if I came across a nice light design that packed down, I would probably look into it. That Gfabco looks very intriguing. The cost is still up there, but it is lighter then the 4-dog at 7.5 lbs. Don't know about those feet though. Seems really low to the ground.

[TheBronzeHorseman]

Like the OP, I also bought the Condor stove from Firebox (shoot first, ask questions later). It arrived the other day and I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the build given that I was half expecting a complete piece of sh*t at that price point. For the money, it seems pretty good. Haven't tested it yet but hope to so in the next few weeks. The one thing I noticed is that the pictures on both Firebox's and Peregrine's website show what appear to be a damper at the bottom of the stove pipe. However, the item I received included a spark arrestor at the bottom of the stove pipe and NOT a damper. To be fair, neither of their websites mentioned a damper in their descriptions -- but both pictured one! They must have augmented the design to either cut costs, weight or because there was a flaw in the design. Whatever the case may be, I'm looking forward to my first hot tenting experience. Enjoy...

[Justin P.]

Mine showed up too, but all I've done is dump it out on the workbench in the shop, I haven't fired it up yet.
Mine the damper plate was laying inside the rolled chimney and the the damper pipe itself was outside the chimney roll, if that makes any sense at all.

[TheBronzeHorseman]

I'm assuming the "damper" you're referring to is the flat plate with holes that I received as well? I think this is more of a spark arrestor than the damper that I see pictured on Peregrine's website for the same stove

[Bothwell Voyageur]

That looks like a damper. It should rotate or slide to the side to open/close the pipe to increase flow. Spark arrester would be mesh.